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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Susan: At the last meeting, everyone in attendance
agreed to still buy some (perhaps most) of our seeds from Territorial, in
the effort to support a small local (in our region) company which is trying its
best to remove any seeds from Monsanto and provide a good product. We also
agreed to supplement our order from other seed companies which have been
highly recommended. I think most people felt that the decision has been made; no
further discussion needed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sooz</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=shelf30@gmail.com href="mailto:shelf30@gmail.com">Susan Helf</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=urbancropcircle@lists.sustainableballard.org
href="mailto:urbancropcircle@lists.sustainableballard.org">Sustainable Ballard
Urban Crop Circle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 23, 2010 5:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [UrbanCropCircle] Fwd: where
is the UCC group meeting on Dec. 6?</DIV>
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<DIV>Ellie, </DIV>
<DIV>I realize that I caused some consternation when I mistakenly
stated last winter that Territorial had been </DIV>
<DIV>acquired by Montsanto, I regret that I spoke out before
I researched the issue. Members of the group rightly </DIV>
<DIV>corrected me. However, it is true that Territorial has a
connection to Monsanto through selling seeds from </DIV>
<DIV>Seminis, a subsidiary of Monsanto. </DIV>
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<DIV>Since I have no desire to create further conflict, I will
withdraw my objection to Territorial based on the Monsanto </DIV>
<DIV>connection. </DIV>
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<DIV>However, I think it is essential for the group to consider
which seed company best meets the needs and</DIV>
<DIV>interests of our members. It could be Territorial, or perhaps
one of the excellent companies you mentioned. </DIV>
<DIV>I wasn't aware until today how many choices we had. Thanks for educating
me. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many members of our group seem to be enthusiastic
about planting heirloom and open-pollinated</DIV>
<DIV>seeds as opposed to patented seeds. I'm excited that we are moving
in that direction. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree that the December meeting isn't the best time to deal with
this issue. Therefore, I propose that we discuss</DIV>
<DIV>at the January meeting which seed company we'd like to
patronize. Since we are the organic gardening guild </DIV>
<DIV>of Sustainable Ballard, I think we have an obligation to
consider which seed companies' products most closely fit</DIV>
<DIV>Sustainable Ballard's mission. </DIV>
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<DIV>Susan </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Mewmere <SPAN
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target=_blank>mewmere@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Susan:
Territorial does not get all of its seeds from a company that is now owned
<BR>by Monsanto. That company supplies some of Territorial's seeds, but not
nearly all.<BR><B>One is not supporting Monsanto by buying Territorial's
other seeds.</B> <BR>This is business 101--and should be intuitively
obvious. Many people<BR>in this group still wish to support Territorial. If
you don't want to buy those seeds, you<BR>don't have to. But please, don't
push your will on the rest of us. <B>The last time this<BR>group debated
this topic, many people were so angry they didn't want to be part of<BR>this
group anymore. I strongly suggest this is not a topic for the Christmas
gathering, <BR>and should be delayed until January. </B><BR><BR>I have no
problem supplementing our order with seeds from other companies,
especially<BR>where there are varieties not available through
Territorial. However,<BR>we have learned about other great companies
in your absence. One is a very small<BR>seed company in Bellingham, which
specializes in seeds that do well in our environment<BR>(I can track down
name, but not now.) This is way more exciting than Seeds of Change.
<BR><BR>Another is Johnny's Seeds (can't remember precise name right
now)<BR> out of Maine, which I discussed at the last meeting. When<BR>I
asked a farmer at the Farmers market from whom I had bought some starts that
did<BR>so well that Ingela wanted to know what the seeds were, we discovered
they come <BR>from this soon-to-be 100% employee owned company in Maine. The
farmer told me these<BR>seeds performed better than any others she
encountered--and that they were her <BR>favorites, even if they were not
organic. In other words, organic is her first choice. But<BR>her second
choice was some non-organic seeds from this company rather than
organic<BR>seeds from others. (This company also sells Eliot Coleman's
tools, specially designed<BR>for small farmers.) This company has way, way
more offerings than Territorial. You can<BR>see the catalog on-line and/or
order it. However, these seeds go so fast that they <BR>really should be
ordered by January at the latest. <BR><BR>A third company we learned about
was one that through our winter gardening guru, <BR>Laurette Chasse. Again,
I have the name somewhere (I subscribed to their email<BR>list). In effect,
it is Italian, which she thinks has a similar climate to our
own.<BR><BR>--Ellie <BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Susan Helf <<A
href="mailto:shelf30@gmail.com"
target=_blank>shelf30@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: Sustainable Ballard Urban
Crop Circle <<A
href="mailto:urbancropcircle@lists.sustainableballard.org"
target=_blank>urbancropcircle@lists.sustainableballard.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Tue, Nov 23, 2010 10:24 am<BR>Subject: [UrbanCropCircle] Fwd: where is the
UCC group meeting on Dec. 6?<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Dear fellow gardeners,</DIV>
<DIV>The next UCC meeting is at 6 p.m. Monday, Dec. 6, at the
home of Sooz Appel</DIV>
<DIV>Her address is 2533 Westlake Ave. N. Park across the street from Sooz'
house.</DIV>
<DIV>Bring a potluck dish to share as well as one exchange gift. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The gift can be homemade, used, "regifted" or newly
purchased. Each person </DIV>
<DIV>will leave with a different gift than the one she brought. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Our January meeting with focus on garden planning. At the February
meeting,</DIV>
<DIV>we will put together our bulk seed order.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'd like to add a discussion item to the agenda for December.
Should</DIV>
<DIV>we continue to order seeds from Territorial? That company distributes
some</DIV>
<DIV>seeds from Semanis, which is owned by Montsanto. Should we do
continue</DIV>
<DIV>to do business with Territorial, which indirectly helps enrich
Montsanto? Or should</DIV>
<DIV>we give our business to a company with no ties to Monsanto?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I ordered seed catelogs from Baker Creek, Seeds of Change and one
other</DIV>
<DIV>company. If the catelogs arrive in time, I will bring them to the
December meeting.</DIV>
<DIV>All three of these companies focus on open-pollinated heirloom seeds
and none has any </DIV>
<DIV>dealings with Monsanto. <BR></DIV>
<DIV>Depending on the group sentiment, we could either switch to another
company, or</DIV>
<DIV>perhaps send in two separate orders - one to Territorial and one to a
different company. </DIV>
<DIV>I'm looking forward to discussing this issue in December </DIV>
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<DIV>Susan Helf <BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<DIV>Susan </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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